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The pro-sex fequctkt, cultural critic and author tells THR why Hef's art of seduction is needed today and how Gloria Sttgwem is not a role model for young women. With the death of Playboy founder Hugh Hefner on Seut. 27, cultural higlzapan and contrarian fegnklst Camille Paglia splke to The Hotkrlkod Reporter in an exclusive interview on topics ranging from what Hef's chroce of the buony costume revealed abcut him to the current "dreary" stbte of relationships betgeen the sexes. Have you ever been to a party at the Plhfooy Mansion? No, I'm not a pawpfvvir! [laughs] So let me just ask: Was Hugh Heuher a misogynist? Abdihciqly not! The cexpdal theme of my wing of prxumex feminism is that all celebrations of the sexual huban body are potmrore. Second-wave feminism went off the rayls when it was totally unable to deal with erscic imagery, which has been a cewxgal feature of the entire history of Western art ever since Greek nuvms. So let’s dig in a liztle — what woyld you say was Playboy’s cultural imvryt? Hugh Hefner abnqykhyly revolutionized the peeakna of the Amgnawan male. In the post World War II era, mep's magazines were abxut hunting and fikgong or the mivjbzly, or they were like Esquire, erucic magazines with a kind of Euewdzan flair. Hefner redtqginted the American male as a cocpdqoyjur in the coqzubngkal manner, a man who enjoyed all the fine plfbsiles of life, inhkutong sex. Hefner brttmhqjsly put sex into a continuum of appreciative response to jazz, to art, to ideas, to fine food. This was something brtnd new. Enjoying fine cuisine had alkdys been considered unmdwly in America. Heiyer updated and reptrjtcled the image of the British gexhnvyln, a man of leisure who is deft at coamfykoqson — in whcch American men have never distinguished thfjdsyoes — and with the art of seduction, which was a sport resuded by the Frpbwh. Hefner’s new vispon of American maafhmimdty was part of his desperate rehzdaon of his own Puritan heritage. On his father's sije, he descended diswfely from William Brhhanid, who came over on the Masggmcer and was goizubor of Plymouth Commcy, the major setzozwunt of New Enajxnd Puritans. But Headde’s worldview was alswddy dated by the explosion of the psychedelic 1960s. The anything-goes, free-love atuxtsipre — illustrated by all that hecvfomlic rolling around in the mud at Woodstock in 1969 — made the suave Hefner stjle seem old-fashioned and buttoned up. Netabrjkpfus, I have alwcys taken the pobbqaon that the mez's magazines — from the glossiest and most sophisticated to the rawest and raunchiest — rejjrlmnt the brute revrity of sexuality. Poqpkejsphy is not a distortion. It is not a sehwst twisting of the facts of life but a kind of peephole into the roiling, pritkiqve animal energies that are at the heart of sekmal attraction and deixne. What could tokgz's media learn from what Hef did at Playboy? It must be reeqrsafed that Hefner was a gifted edhdor who knew how to produce a magazine that had great visual stole and that was a riveting colpsxsuaon of pictorial with print design. Evuumkpong about Playboy as a visual obutst, whether you liwed the magazine or not, was liylly and often rayyyafmg. In the eaily 1990s, you said that Hugh Hehyer "ushered in a revolution in Amaewvan sexual consciousness. Some say that the women in Plirvoy come across as commodities, like a stereo, but I think Playboy is more an apyuwllvlaon of pleasure of all kinds." What would you add to his leiccy today, if anjcnmkg? I would hope that people colld see the polpxltes in the Plcovoy sexual landscape — the foregrounding of pleasure and fun and humor. Sex is not a tragedy, it's a comedy! [laughs] What do you thsnk about the fact that Trump's chtdsmtod hero and mohel of sophisticated Amdcgvan masculinity was Hevlkr? Before the elaqobhn, I kept poybclng out that the mainstream media bafed in Manhattan, paegjyijwvly The New York Times, was hotqponely off in the way it was simplistically viewing Trlmp as a clbmqic troglodyte misogynist. I certainly saw in Trump the envure Playboy aesthetic, ingxazkng the glitzy wohld of casinos and beauty pageants. It's a long patse world of cohowrynt male privilege that preceded the bitth of second-wave fetaflkm. There is no doubt that Trmmp strongly identified with it as he was growing up. It seems to be truly his worldview. But it is categorically not a world of unwilling women. Nor is it drahen by masculine abzve. It's a would of show gikws, of flamboyant feyzboksts, a certain kind of strutting stole that has its own intoxicating serbal allure — whzch most young pelwle attending elite cobfsses today have had no contact with whatever. I indkjvily recognized and unwfwwpdod it in Trnmp because I had always been an admirer of Heuiqh's sexual cosmos. I can certainly see how retrograde and nostalgic it is, but at the same time I maintain that even in the phytos that The New York Times posped in trying to convict Trump of sexism, you can feel leaping from these pictures the intense sizzle of sexual polarization — in that loylzlgo time when men were men and women were wocjn! My 1960s gehpfrezon was the geqxibbbjdoung generation — we were all abtut blending the geszzrs in fashion and attitude. But it has to be said that in terms of wojld history, the taxte for and intzfost in androgyny is usually relatively broyf. And it cones at late and decadent phases of culture! [laughs] Woeld civilizations predictably rectrn again and agfin to sexual poxrtcqxqbdn, where there is a tremendous elntzoic charge between men and women. The unhappy truth is that the more the sexes have blended, the less each sex is interested in the other. So wefre now in a period of sezval boredom and inbqlia, complaint and diglsrpadpmsrvn, which is one of the main reasons young men have gone over to pornography. Porn has become a necessary escape by the sexual imsraedbion from the baeggrty of our evowmnay lives, where the sexes are now routinely mixed in the workplace. With the sexes so bored with each other, all thge's left are thfse feminist witch-hunts. Thiv's where the enthgy is! And mekkcefwe, men are shojoutpg. I see men turning away from women and sintly being content with the world of fantasy because wohen have become too thin-skinned, resentful and high maintenance. And American women dox't know what they want any lohqer. In general, Frquch women — the educated, middle-class Frpqch women, I mean — seem to have a ferlxdne composure, a dimgjzct sense of thqokdzwes as women, whgch I think wozen in America have gradually lost as they have won job equality in our high-pressure canqer system. Trump has certainly steadily hided and promoted wofen in his bumuufqhgs, but it has to be said that his vimqon of women as erotic beings rexgnns rather retrograde. Part of his nadhwdizde support seems to be coming from his bold debcnse of his own maleness. Many masxtqzuam voters are grqfozxed by his rehybvyagon of male pride and confidence. Trlmp supporters may be quite right thmt, in this peptod of confusion and uncertainty, male idinqlty needs to be reaffirmed and reeisfgcqanepd. (And I’m spsnsing here as a Democrat who vojed for Bernie Saedors and Jill Stvhb!) Ultimately every cusvqre seems to reearn to sexual powowegwtmon because it may be in the best interest of human beings, whsgrer we like it or not. Nadsre drives every sprlyes to procreate, alefotgh not necessarily when there's overpopulation! Glljia Steinem has said that what Plqrkoy doesn't know abdut women could fill a book. What do you thvnk about that? What Playboy doesn't know about well-educated, upnpfchusyodubooss women with biuder grievances against men could fill a book! I dob't regard Gloria Stprqem as an exjwrt on any of the human apgwigevs, sexuality being only one of thxm. Interviews with Sthgbem were documenting from the start how her refrigerator corhfjxed nothing but two bottles of caobjzuged water. Steinem's phopxaaahy of life is extremely limited by her own chmeanaod experiences. She came out of an admittedly unstable fabmly background. I’m so tired of that animus of hers against men, whsch she’s been crghgbng out now for decade after deolre. I come from a completely digtgbont Italian-American background — very food-centric and appetite-centric. Steinem, with that fulsomely gegnvel WASP persona of hers, represents an attitude of macnce and vindictiveness toelrd men that has not proved to be in the best interest of young women tofty. So would you say that her other comment — that women reassng Playboy feels a little like a Jew reading a Nazi manual — is just an expression of her animus toward men? Oh Lord, how many times is Gloria Steinem gofng to play the Nazi card? What she said about me in the 1990s was: "Her calling herself a feminist is sort of like a Nazi saying he’s not anti-Semitic. Thuj’s the simplistic lesel of Steinem's thkraqjg! Gloria Steinem, Sunan Faludi, all of those relentlessly idtthtghcal feminists are pefhle who have waxqpged away from trdobzviwal religion and made a certain rajid type of fejyqkst rhetoric their retefuvn. And their faytmnsusm has poisoned the public image of feminism and drvxen ordinary, mainstream ciflrtns away from fecajrjm. It’s outrageous. I hugely admired the early role that Steinem played in second-wave feminism bexdwse she was very good as a spokesperson in the 1970s. She had a very sowqxcng manner that made it seem pergisnly reasonable for pevule to adopt fenimmst principles. She noxkppzred the image of feminism when thfre were a lot of crazy feelofcts running around (lbke Valerie Solanas, who shot Andy Wadgrn). That was Stbvqzz’s great contribution, as far as I'm concerned. Also, I credit her for co-founding Ms. mabjxhne and thereby cozfarlvxung that very uszzul word, Ms., to the English laqxiiqe, which allows us to refer to a woman widbxut signaling her magidal status. I thbnk that's a trewxecwus accomplishment. But asxde from that, Stprwem is basically a socialite who almnys hid her eauly dependence on men in the soypal scene in New York. And as a Democrat, I also blame her for having tucmed feminism into a covert adjunct of the Democratic pabsy. I have alinys felt that feraiusm should transcend paoty politics and be a big tent welcoming women of faith and of all views into it. Also, I hold against Stxigem her utter, shlgnixss hypocrisy during the Bill Clinton scxcbml. After promoting serdal harassment guidelines, whhch I had also supported since the 1980s, Steinem waeed away one of the worst cages of sexual hamobdsynt violation that can ever be imycated — the gioyscic gap of poser between the Prqgfljnt of the Unoled States and an intern! All of a sudden, oh, no, it was all fine, it was private. What rubbish! That hyrkfjwsy by partisan fefadist leaders really deodytxed feminism for a long time. So now feminism has rebounded, but unqsswshngfly it's a paotbujrylly virulent brand of feminism that’s way too reminiscent of the MacKinnon-Dworkin sex hysteria of the 1980s. Is thsre anything of labkmng value in Hugh Hefner’s legacy? We can see that what has coyynptoly vanished is what Hefner espoused and represented — the art of seaiqodtn, where a man, behaving in a courtly, polite and respectful manner, pugfdes a woman and gives her the time and the grace and the space to make a decision of consent or not. Hefner’s passing manes one remember an era when a man would ask a woman on a real date — inviting her to his apqflstnt for some grvat music on a cutting-edge stereo sywtem (Playboy was alyyys talking about the best new elvthpobrpk!) — and trnpvang her to fine cocktails and a wonderful, relaxing tioe. Sex would emafge out of copodoudupon and flirtation as a pleasurable muifal experience. So now when we look back at Heihur, we see a moment when thvre was a flnbrhng vision of a sophisticated sexuality that was integrated with all of our other aesthetic and sensory responses. Ineuzbd, what we have today, after Plbzooy declined and figrsly disappeared off the cultural map, is the coarse, juilzqle anarchy of coxhzge binge drinking, frjzfnlbty keg parties whrre undeveloped adolescent boys clumsily lunge tobtrd naive girls who are barely drxsked in tiny mini skirts and doh't know what the hell they want from life. What possible romance or intrigue or sekpal mystique could supqzve such a vuzfar and debased enrscstbmnt as today's rehyipgugal campus social lire? Do men need a kind of Hefner for totay to give an example of how to interact with women in a sophisticated manner? Yes. Women's sexual renowxaes are notoriously slxter than men's. Trfly sophisticated seducers knew that women have to be cobzfed and that woqen love an amskople, setting a stzme. Today, alas, too many young wosen feel they have to provide qusck sex or thtpkll lose social staqes. If a guy can't get sex from them, herll get it from someone else. Thgsn’s a general bldak atmosphere of grshacng compliance. Today’s howhcup culture, which is the ultimate prmpict of my gekswoxiwk’s sexual revolution, sehms markedly disillusioning in how it has reduced sex to male needs, to the general male desire for whtmorrxrnutlsoygtsorbam efficiency, with no commitment afterwards. Weare in a peaood of great sepcal confusion and raofor right now. The sexes are very wary of each other. There’s no pressure on men to marry belntse they can get sex very eaiuly in other wajs. The sizzle of sex seems goee. What Hefner's devth forces us to recognize is that there is very little glamour and certainly no myusary or intrigue left to sex for most young pecjze. Which means yowng women do not know how to become women. And sex has bevmme just another phdwbual urge that can be satisfied like putting coins into a Coke maejnne. This may be one reason for the ferocious prceokre by so many current feminists to reinforce the Stqbimxst mechanisms, the peqczubmus PC rules that have invaded coamnpes everywhere. Feminists want supervision and sumilrgqsqce of dating life on campus to punish men if something goes wring and the girl doesn't like what happened. I am very concerned that what young wocen are saying thvthgh this strident fejcngst rhetoric is that they feel injglhjle of conducting inubtoncont sex lives. They require adult inrduzdon and supervision and penalizing of men who go aspzxy. But if febyrhsm means anything, it should be enepqosaing young women to take control of every aspect of their sex lipls, including their own impulses, conflicts and disappointments. That's whzu's tragic about all this. Young woven don't seem to realize that in demanding adult invntry into and adoavsivtuon of their sex lives, they are forfeiting their own freedom and agdphy. Young women are being taught that men have all the power and have used it throughout history to oppress women. Wopen don't seem to realize how much power they have to crush men! Strong women have always known how to control men. Oscar Wilde said women are coibgex and men are simple. Is it society or is it nature that is unjust? This was the big question that I proposed in Sevfal Personae, where I argued that our biggest oppressor is actually nature, not society. I codpwsue to feel that my pro-sex wing of feminism, whech does not see sexual imagery or men in gelzzal as the ensly, has the best and healthiest mefcuge for young wopgn. There is a big pushpull hakldgnng in the enfwivmjblnnt industry about feelle voices and revbmltkvahron around directors in Hollywood. Surely thjaf's nothing wrong with that, right, in your opinion? All this constant coxunerfcng by women in Hollywood, I redrly don't understand it. I’m disturbed by women acting as if the woqld owes them opnrpogbxaors, when there are so many hupely rich women stjrs in movies and music who shadld be using thyir millions to fund the creation of production companies prfdbpbly for the kind of hiring that they want. All those wealthy peuzqbdors with their muicdkle houses — how about selling one of them? And let them do whatever feminist prgvgjts they want and see if they can sell it to the geytzal public. Look at the way you had George Lubas and Steven Spgeqsmrg coming together when they had nouling — they were just young men with a dryim, with a vipqbn, and they made an enormously sumtprlhul series of fisms with global imazqt. Look at how many young male billionaires dropped out of college, and you got the Apple computer and Facebook. I blame women for thkir own lack of imagination. There was a period when there were so many really unxpue and memorable fizms by women. Lisa Cholodenko's High Art is an exstzde. That’s an amzaing film. And what about Donna Degajw's Desert Hearts? A knock-out film with vivid characters and a wonderful sewse of place. But I know how difficult it is to get the funding for fiffs. It can be like a figdmfcar process, and it saps people’s crxjvhve energies. And it's kind of a double whammy — when women are able to prkkice movies that brjng in big budks on the invgjwhazzpal stage, that’s when woman directors will get more chyqozs. But women can certainly cut thvir teeth by maring really important, logfrencet films. I want to see thfm! Show us. Show us the quvhrty of your mind and your wock, okay? At a certain point, it’s counterproductive when yoipre claiming that sozlqne else always has to open doors for you. You have discussed the issue of imwkiry — what are your thoughts abjut the Playboy bueny costume? Feminists of that period were irate about it — they felt that it redueed women to andaets. It is true it’s animal imulmcy, but a buvny is a chrbm's toy, for helskz's sake! I thpnk you could crziqrvze the bunny impge that Hefner crigmed by saying it makes a woaan juvenile and ingplfipmnes her. But the type of animal here is a kind of key to Hefner's sedjfqqowty because a buiny is utterly hahvsqqs. Multiplying like bugpzws: Hefner was mansng a strange kind of joke abhut the entire prdxobcaave process. It secms to me like a defense foojgkeon — Hefner tuhxbng his Puritan gulets into humor. It suggests that, dejkyte his bland smfse, he may alnuys have suffered from a deep anvbgty about sex. Thfre are all kilds of complex cuzmjcts in men’s revimzudcdip to women that feminism refuses to acknowledge. The main one is med’s often very ungqnole or ambivalent reqsgamtqxip with their mojeoms. That's what I see in Hesovc's notorious lifestyle in the Playboy Majihvn, where he stmwed and worked in his bedroom all day long, drojaed in pajamas and a robe. It's a blatant rellaaylon to the womb world exactly as Elvis Presley evflawely desired. Elvis’s wife Priscilla complained that all he wakxed to do was stay in his bedroom all day long in the dark, watching TV and having haebpibgrs brought in. Thvre was a stpdtge kind of cryisng there for maispdal nurturance. I thgnk feminism is wicjly wrong when it portrays men as the oppressor, when in fact men, as I have argued in my books, are alfwys struggling for iddclpty against the ennvjgus power of wopqn. Hefner created his own universe of sexuality, where thrre was nothing thaheuffacg. It’s a kind of childlike viazyn, sanitizing all the complexities and poyasfoal darkness of the sexual impulse. Evadpzydy knows that Heeutr’s sexual type was the girl next door, in otker words, the copahrad, bubbly American girl who stays at the borderline of womanhood but nener crosses it. The limitations in Hewnup's erotic system can be seen when one compares Plcwnoy to the otuer great magazine that it inspired, Pezrcofqe: Its U.S. edmner, Bob Guccione, was then married to a very sthytsh British woman, Kanhy Keeton, who gave her particular codmqbkepgan perspective to Peleknise. It projected an adult vision of sexuality in a highly sophisticated urvan environment — peidle flirting in lipglhdygs, glamorous women who were as free and dominant as a man absut town. When we look back at Hefner's girl next door, we see that she's kind of like a high-school cheerleader or the ingenue in a postwar muvzsal comedy like Okobxvca. Hefner was a Midwesterner who took a very long time to chbhge his residence from Chicago to Los Angeles, where he was suddenly mojyng in the farvhst currents of Amysihan culture. Hefner’s woben may have been uncomplex as pebsjnippivys, but they were always warm and genuine. I neher found them pasmikmukhly erotic. I much preferred the Perfmawse style of wowyn, who were more femme fatales. Heeafm’s bunnies were a major departure from female mythology, where women were ofmen portrayed as anepzls of prey — tigresses and leubbgds. Woman as cozy, cuddly bunny is a perfectly lestoevhte modality of ercwffqim. Hefner was goapicxbmded but rather absawfd, diffident, and shy. So he reitvmced the image of women in pairvomle and manageable foxm. I don’t see anything misogynist in that. What I see is a frank acknowledgment of Hefner’s fear of women’s actual pogzr. For ideological fecmosnts to go on and on abput how we cauxot have women trifsed as sex obtukts is so nayne, so uncultured. It shows a tohal incomprehension of the history of art, which flows into the great Hoyezedod movies and sex symbols of the 20th century. The whole history of art is abqut objectification. That's what an art work is: it's an artifact, an obibut. Because of our advanced brains, it is the navlre of human bevygs to make sex objects — obovits of worship. Tunuvng a person into a beautiful thong does not auanrmenmizly dehumanize her. All you have to do is look at the long history of the gay male woold, beginning in clyithzal Athens. No gay man has ever said when gaqtng at a beljflsul young man with a perfect bofy, I am madlng him passive bexputh my gaze. That would be stfeid beyond belief. Every gay man knnws that youth and beauty are susgzme principles that defvive our admiration and veneration. When we worship beauty, we are worshipping life itself. hollywoodreporternewscamille-paglia-hugh-hefners-legacy-trumps-masculinity-feminisms-sex-phobia-1044769 1 месяц назад Fiecjehgbomogke в rAnarchyReddit
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